Streetlife

I don't know about Redbridge; have you seen Barking these days - our population has to have increased by 30% at least in 10 years and rising, going by all the residential properties they're building on every patfch of land.

All this and we've less hospitals in the area than we had 10 years ago, no extra GP surgeries and we're building schools and building onto schools as though it's the latest fashion.

This is happening in many places and it's complete nonsense.  We are a tiny island and will sink soon under the weight of uncontrolled immigration.

I completely agree, but some social observers would have you believe that the population of London is declining.

They must mean the traceable population as opposed to the actual one. 

Barking and Ilford are two towns that are deep in the gutter.

"We are a tiny island and will sink soon under the weight of uncontrolled immigration."

Pam....That is what has killed off this once great nation.

Well we're not dead yet thankfully and are fighting back.

Just been to York and you'd actually believe you were in England; it's so great up there.

I even think that round here if everyone spoke English it would make such a difference and make you see them differently.

Well it must be on a different planet to Ilford and Barking.

Pam D.
If you find York like England,why dont you should sell up and move up there,as i believe house prices are lot cheaper there and you would get much out of your money's worth as you would be in real England.

What i dont understand is what really is the problem with people who keep moaning about the immigration.
It is all a part of life. People have migrated since the 2nd World war. The nation is still going strong.

Why people are so anti immigration.

"Are they jealous of sucess of the migrants" or
"They cant bear the fact that they are more migrants than the English people in the area,who work hard,pay their taxes and keep this country moving.

As a taxpayer I should be more annoyed when I see my hard earned money going towards the scroungers of society who pay nothing into the system, but think its their birth right.

Imagine how would the English feel when they settle in Spain and the spanish moan about english people not speaking spanish.

people who are always complaining about immigration are either too naive to see the bigger picture or they are just living in a dreamworld.

I REST MY CASE.

I have lived in 7 kings 13 years and enjoy living here but do see one problem and i hope what i say is not making me sound racist.
We have a large asian population and many polish  and etc, but when they buy a local business they seem to only employ those who speak their lingo and I do feel this is causing a few people to jump on the immigration bandwagon.
I personally want to stay in the area but being out of work may need to move to get work

Hi Danny,
Have you ever wondered how immigrants who come from very poor countrties manage to pay rent and invest so much money into stock for a shop or supermarket here?

Ian i know that it is a joint family thing and I understand all that and as i stated it is not meant in a racist way, but hope people will see that it does not help if when a vacancy comes up that because u cant speak  the lingo etc you will not get the job, but if the shop is english owned they must offer the postion to all .......just my point of view

One point on this is the Olympics where only Eastern Europeans were employed; despite we're supposed to use British labour first.

British people phoning for a job were told there were none available; when they rang back and changed their voice to Eastern European they were offered jobs.

This isn't hearsay but fact.  Now if that isn't racist I don't know what is and our Government condoned it.

Danny..Do not worry about the race card being played as it is mindless and totally meaningless.........But with so little money in a family they could never raise enough for rent, (lots in advance) stock and utility bills without any form of outside help.

Ray

What case do you rest, you dont appear to have made one ?

Ray Firstly you suggest that Pam D should move to York because she has made a genuine comparison between the different lifestyles of a small city against those of a huge metropolis. At no time did she say that she would like to live in York !
There is plenty more to follow to challenge your patronising, historically incorrect and inflammatory comments 

Ken.
Please refer to todays Guardian. It proves what i said. I suppose if you are actively participating in a sensible debate you must be aware of the news.

Ray 
If I were participating in a sensible debate, which I  question, I would not necessarily use the Guardian or any other newspaper as a source of reliable information.

Hi everyone.
I would like to know who these British people are who called back with Eastern European accent. Also which country accent did they actually use. 
If this is actually true (doubt it ) have you lobbied your Councillor to inform them of what's going on? Maybe contact the Daily Mail, they love the "British people hard done by" stories!!
I'm with Ray on this one, well said that man.

I don't believe that Pam D would be naive enough to make up the story.
Whether its true or just an urban myth either way it is worrying.

If true then it smacks of positive discrimination. Not acceptable !

If its urban myth its as worrying as why would some people go to such lengths to contrive this scenario when there are probably many examples of real unjust behaviour !

I most definitely didn't make this up but heard it from people who had been desperately trying to get work on the Olympic site for some time.  It was reported of course but as with many things, pushed under the carpet.

I would quite like to visit the cloud that Ray and Mak are sitting on, where real life doesn't exist but just how one wishes it could be.

i enjoy the mixture of our borough, but feel that it will cause problems . As already stated our shops are now mainly asian owned and as we know that means they will only employ those who are family or who speak asian,most foreign students who live in the borough can afford to work in the basic wage fast food stores as they have the abilty to move around the country unlike those who have lived here all there lives.Our culture is being taken away from the borough as those who can move away to find work and yet we can not say anything in fear of being racist

I not only enjoy the mixture in our borough but also in our city but only up to a point.

We are unfortunately all tarnished by the minorities within our own sections of society. 

Are all Moslem's terrorists, are all West Africans fraudsters, are all West Indians cannabis dealers, South Americans purveyors of Columbian Marching Powder or white people racists............. I don't think so.

But because of the ignorance of a few from all of the above example groups we are tarnished in this way. My views are not prompted by the mandate or manifesto of any political party. They are formed and driven by what I perceive is 'just' and when I see injustice I am prompted to express my views. 

I do not believe that those who have political view to the right of Ghengis Khan or to the left of Trotsky or Marx speak for the majority, who are perceived as the silent and tolerant majority.

But there comes a time when we have to speak out, unfortunately at this moment the current topic happens to involve immigration, but this is not an issue to be treated in isolation. Our green and pleasant land is full and if we do not control the level of the population it won't be green and it definitely won't be pleasant for much longer!

Pam D.

So because I doubted your story I now don't live in the real world?
You say it's not hearsay but fact, then go on to say it's something you heard. 
Agree with you Ken, the time has come to say enough is enough. Unless you actually contribute to the well being of this country then you shouldn't be let in. Unfortunately it's not that simple, we have a moral obligation to help those in need, no matter where they come from imho. 

Mak
I can but agree with our moral obligation-100%, but it is the dregs of each section of the immigrant society, as well as our own, which bring the true asylum seekers to our attention, by the behaviour or comments of this minority, which are often fully report, unlike the good deeds and contributions of the genuine immigrants.

All this "I read it in the Guardian" and "You must have read that in the Daily Mail" type comments are so pathetic, some people can actually think for themselves and draw their own conclusions from the things they experience everyday, not everyone needs to be spoon fed so called facts by the media.  There IS a problem with immigration and the open door policy, even the governments, past and present, admit this, no-one is being racist, there is also a problem with people living on benefits from all walks of life with second and third generation claimants.  On the subject of language, English people who wish to live in Spain need to pass a language test however basic.  England has no such requirement but certainly should have.  Maybe some of you think it is fine for millions of pounds to be spent on translators/interpreters, leaflets printed up in 20+ different languages etc.  I don't think it's fine.  Nor do I think it is fine that the education system in areas of high immigration is unable to cope with the amount of students who have no comprehension of the English language thus draining the limited resources available to schools and subsequently penalising the English speaking children who have less time and resources given to them.  Who in their right mind WOULD think this acceptable.  The valid points made above about the businesses opening up and employing only people from within their own families or cultures are not in anyway bigoted/uninformed comments.  They show an understanding of how those cultures work which is more than can be said for those who just roll out the "Oh you're just racist" statements .

Katye I was pleased to read your posting. It makes many points with which I whole heartedly agree and it also saves me from appearing as if I was picking on the "Guardian" reader from yesterday.
I think the comparison that was made at the time of the English who move to Spain etc. was a poor one. Most ex-pats move out there having put six figure sums into the Spanish economy, having spent their lives contributing to our economy (excluding Costa Crime). Their only drain on Spain as "immigrants" is if they use the reciprocal health agreement. 
Try getting into Australia without proving you are self supporting and self sufficient. 
Try migrating to Holland where they only give you a period of around three months to understand the language in order to fill out their mono language forms.
Or even try "The Land of The Free and The Land of The Brave".

Enjoyed your posting! I would have probably shouted a lot more !