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Sir, whilst gritters are out on the roads doing a great job it would seem?, are they not being too frugal with the grit?. I have been passed by 5 gritters over the past two days but, they appear to be very liberal with the level of grit being dispensed?. Usually when driving my car, a gritter passes by and almost takes the paint off the car however, this is now not the case. The gritting lorry trundles by delivering only a small spray of grit. Is it because of the size of the grit?, does it contain enough salt? or is this an attempt at cutting costs ? whilst giving an impression to the general public that every effort is being made to make our roads safe?, either way it is not sufficient  to do the job. I live in Bellevue Rd Ipswich  which runs between Woodbridge Rd and Spring Rd, for some unknown reason  both ends of the road are never gritted sufficiently to prevent accidents. I appreciate that not all roads can be gritted however, when there is a high probability of accidents I would have thought this to be a priority of sorts?. Michael.


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James M
I've noticed plenty of gritters using my street as a cut through from Nacton Rd to Felixstowe Rd, but they don't seem to actually spread any on my street.  Strange that.
Michael T
Hi James, their response would be that "we only grit major roads" which I understand to a degree however I live on a hill and find it almost impossible to get out of the road without damaging the wheels and tyres on my car when I have to use the kerbs as a brake.
James M
They don't seem to put out grit bins they way they used to.
Michael T
There used to be a grit / sand bin at the end of Bellevue rd and the residents used to grit / sand the corner / of the road themselves, why the Council moved it , I have no idea? but, I am sure it 's to do with costs.
James M
It'll be something to do with Health & Safety..... if you put your back out spreading council grit from a council bin, you could sue them.  Better you wreck your car instead, they don't have to get involved.
S F inactive
Hi Michael, I have a friend who I visit in Belle Vue Road so I know just how steep and dangerous your road must be, I wonder whether the gritters do Devonshire Road?  Even steeper than Belle Vue and also an extremely narrow one,  I doubt whether they could get a gritter down there.
I heard on the tele that every time the gritters go out in Norfolk the cost is about £49,000.00 so it must be a similar amount for Suffolk.  Rather than risk wrecking your car isn't it worth investing a few quid in your own bag of bag of salt and sand from B&Q J?
James M
I'd have to do my whole street :)  Would take more than a bag of salt.
Michael T
Hi Madge, we do invest in a number of bags and sand however, because of this blame culture we have to be very careful not to be sued by anyone and, it is the Councils responsibility to grit the roads not mine, after all is that not a part of what we pay our Council Tax for?. I draw the line at actually doing their job for them any longer, bear in mind that several of us residents have over the past 20 years or more, used the sand that they provided at the end of the road (which is no longer there) to put down during the big freezes we have had. 
The road at the back of our garden although in town is not a through road, not a bus route and has very few houses on it, although there are a few cul-de-sacs at the end. In spite of this it always gets gritted as far as where the houses start. I've never understood why. I would have thought that other roads should take priority.

The Suffolk CC website says "If you want to clear snow and ice on the pavement outside your property or from public spaces, it's unlikely you'll be sued or held legally responsible for any injuries on the path if you have cleared it carefully  - follow the snow code when clearing snow and ice."

The snow code - tips on clearing snow and ice from pavements or public spaces

Don’t be put off clearing paths because you’re afraid someone will get injured. Remember, people walking on snow and ice have a responsibility to be careful themselves. Follow the advice below to make sure you clear the pathway safely and effectively.

And don’t believe the myths - it's unlikely you'll be sued or held legally responsible for any injuries if you have cleared the path carefully.

Clear the snow and ice early in the day

It’s easier to move fresh, loose snow rather than hard snow that has packed together from people walking on it. So if possible, start removing the snow and ice in the morning. If you remove the top layer of snow in the morning, any sunshine during the day will help melt any ice beneath. You can then cover the path with salt before nightfall to stop it refreezing overnight.

Preventing slips

Pay extra attention to clearing snow and ice from steps and steep pathways - you might need to use more salt on these areas.

Use salt or sand - not water

Don’t make the pathways more dangerous by causing them to refreeze. If you use water to melt the snow, it may refreeze and turn to black ice. Black ice increases the risk of injuries as it is invisible and very slippery.

You can melt snow or prevent black ice by spreading some salt on the area you have cleared. You can use ordinary table or dishwasher salt - a tablespoon for each square metre you clear should work. Don’t use the salt found in salting bins - this will be needed to keep the roads clear.

Be careful not to spread salt on plants or grass as it may damage them.

If you don’t have enough salt, you can also use sand or ash. These won’t stop the path icing over as effectively as salt, but will provide good grip underfoot.

Take care where you move the snow

When you’re shovelling snow, take care where you put it so it doesn’t block people’s paths or drains. Make sure you make a path down the middle of the area to be cleared first, so you have a clear surface to walk on. Then shovel the snow from the centre of the path to the sides.

Offer to clear your neighbours’ paths

If your neighbour will have difficulty getting in and out of their home, offer to clear snow and ice around their property as well. Check that any elderly or disabled neighbours are alright in the cold weather. If you’re worried about them, try contacting their relatives or friends, or if necessary the local council.

Michael H
I know its a headache for everyone when we do get snow that settles but those that keep having a go at the council are not seeing the whole picture when it comes to the cost and organiseing question is how many lorries must the council ratepayer buy to keep everyone happy bearing in mind these lorries are used for 2 weeks of a year but have to be maintained and kept road worthy all the time and the question of how much grit do you buy and stockpile its like how long is abit of string no one can forcast exactly whats going to fall from the sky and how much notice people get that its coming so all in all the council is always going to be wrong to some people but in general i think they do a pretty good job of keeping are road system moving within a tight budget
Felix F
I am pretty sure that if you ask your local county councillor they may know how to get a grit bin for your street IF you are willing to do the spreading.  They would also have to find a good spot to put the bin - but that's always true. 

I am sure the council could do all of this for us if we wanted them too - but we would end up paying for it - council tax would rise - it's not their money - it's ours!
Michael T
Hi Michael H, have a re-read of my post, of course I am aware of costs as we all are I'm sure but, like many others I cannot understand the logic, can you???.
Michael T
Hi Felix F, we had a bin for several years but, the Council took it away......
Michael H
Hi michael T it is a very difficult one to try and understand i suppose the councils try and do what they can but there never going to keep everyone happy if they spent a few hundred thousand pounds on additional gritter lorries people would say what a waste of tax payers money but at the end of the day you have only got to look at a modern map of ipswich and realise there are several miles of roads in ipswich now in the time they have there never going to get it a 100% i think we are pretty lucky really they do mean well
Michael T
Hi Michael H, I understand that not all roads can be gritted however, if over many years it is proven (which it is) that many many accidents are reported particularly in Bellevue road where it meets Woodbridge road  and Alexander road, as they are both on a hill, they should grit both ends, (we are not too bothered about in between), then there would be fewer accidents.
Michael H
Michael T i hear what you are saying why do you not approach the council about this or your ward councillor i am sure they will look into your concerns but in all honesty this is one of several areas around the town which are hazardous the best thing i have found is i only use my vehicle if i have no choice this time of the year i have also noticed how many people are driving around looking through a small clearing in there screen these people are a accident waiting to happen i know your area quite well and another problem you have as i used to on myrtle road is on street parking reduceing the road width whats the answer to many cars i do not know
Gary M
also the council should warn all pet owners that the grit contains anti freeze and should wash their pets paws after walkies a this stuff taste sweet they may lick their paws.
S here
Where did you see grit contain anti freeze I thought it  is mixed with salt
Matthew G
Grit and salt are the same thing!

I believe sometimes antifreeze is mixed in but this is unusual, certainly for residential/urban streets.  I think this is more common on motorways etc.
Michael T
Grit is sand, small stones and salt, antifreeze is not added, the salt disburses the ice and the grit allows for traction.
Some regions use grit mixed with molasses to help it stick. Not sure if Suffolk uses this sort or not. It was rumoured to, leaving roads slimey when the snow melts.

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